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     Mrs P. @ dogwood circle. Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
It is that time of year again, Road Dues. I really look forward to receiving the notice. I love paying for something that I do not receive. I have lived here for a little over a year and not once has anyone came and taken care of out street. I paid last January and now I will pay again, I have no choice from what I have been told. They actually came and worked on the street just to about where the cul-de-sac begins and then stopped. That was nice. I am wondering if my husband takes his Saturday to come and get gravel and take care of our little section, do we get a discount? Just curious. I wonder what this year has in store for us and the roads. By the way I do do the speed limit, I have no choice if I want to keep the front end of my car intact and not lose a ball joint. Thanks for the timely manner in which we received the notice. I can count on that. I did notice that there was a pile of gravel off of Dogwood, is this for future road maintance, can we go and get some and fill in the holes ourselves? I hope no one plans on spreading now, if we get snow, it will be plowed into the ditch and that is pointless. As I stated earlier, once again I will pay for whatever the road dues are susposed to be for. I know that if I am angry I can only imagine how others feel that their streets are a lot worse. | ||
| Crystal city Posted From: 152.163.252.36 |
Well Mrs.P welcome to the beautiful Blue Ridge Acres where the road dues we pay (both you and I) get us nothing. Do you want to know where you ROAD dues goes? I will tell you I went to one of the so called board meetings and found out what the ROAD dues goes for. It goes to pay leagel fees for dead beats who dont pay and for legal fees for fools on our lovely board to sue us. It also pays for electric bills and rent for the office we own. Dont fill alone. I live on Maple Lane and if you think your road is bad come see ours. The man who does the plowing lives on Maple Way and guess what its plowed and sanded or gravle is all the way to his house and driveway but he cant seem to go further down Maple Lane to do our roads. I bet the ice is over 1 inch thick! cant walk on it or barley drive only slide on it. But like you we fools keep paying our money so we can be sued and pay bills for things we shouldnt. I wish I knew where we could turn for help sure not from this Board, as for getting gravel to do the roads on our own were not allowed, and forget a discount, Big Joke. I think its nice you wrote over 1 month ago and no one even gave your note a thought, nor try to answer you. If you come up with any ideas how we can fight this post it here and i would love to help. maybe we can exchange e amils or phones. We both need alot of luck fighting these dumb farmers on the Board | ||
| Mrs P @ Dogwood Circle Posted From: 65.123.193.207 |
Thanks for the reply. It is nice to know that I am not alone with this. I would not mind paying at all if they actually did something to the roads. I heard at one time that the State was considering taking over or something like that. I guess no one was up for that. A friend of mine lives in Keys Ferry and they were complaining that their road dues went up to $ 40.00 for the year.I laughed so hard. If only. And yes I have driven around there and the roads are not that bad. Maybe come Spring something will be done and we can only hope that we do not get lost in all the mud. There has to be a solution. Like I stated earlier, I will pay. I have no choice. Maybe not the full amount in one lump, but I am poor and they will get it when I get it. There is not point in talking to anyone regarding this issue. They all "blow" smoke at me everytime that I call. I have no time for the political part of this. I do not wish to attend the meetings. I work all day , and I prefer to spend my evenings with my family. Thanks for letting me know that there are others out there that are as fed up as I am. | ||
| lt Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
we feel the same way. we have lived up here for 6yrs and the roads suck. pot holes are the worst of it. i live on persimmon rd. my husband actually said he didn't want to pay the road maintance because of the road is. our next door nieghbors feel the same way. | ||
| AntonDenikin Posted From: 195.46.161.20 |
Ditto Ditto Ditto! I think perhaps there are more neighbors out there who feel the same way. The way I look at it, we pay for a service, the service is NOT provided equally and we have the right to withhold payment or sue them ourselves. Last time I complained about the roads, my driveway was conviently plowed in, i.e., I had about a foot of snow plowed into my driveway. | ||
| mrs.c Posted From: 152.163.252.36 |
I have lived in here for fifteen years. I should know better than complain because it doesn't help. But here goes anyway, I work at a job that if i don't go in I don't get paid, after missing 4days the week before I tried to get out, guess what no can do! I nave three ways to try, all three was a disaster even getting stuck. since they don't put the money on the roads maybe I can get paid for lost wages. HAHAHA!!!! Almost fell out of my chair on that one. Now it is mud boggin time, find a real gooey place of mud in the middle of the road and spin all four tires, make some good ruts. Looks like a mud bog anyway. But I've came up with a solution that works for me, i"m not paying this year till I see some work!!! Take me to court, put a lien on my house I don't care!!! | ||
| muddy lane formerly known as crystal city Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
Maybe if none of us pay this year they will get the idea to fix the roads for some strange reason. If they have to take all of us to court at least we know the dam. money we would have paid went to get us something! lol Shall we all try this? It's kinda like us going on strike against the Baord. Who knows something crazy like this just might wake them up to either sh.t or get off the pot as the old saying goes! | ||
| AntonDenikin Posted From: 212.46.247.6 |
I'm in no hurry to pay my road dues since it's like throwing my money away.... | ||
| lt Posted From: 64.12.96.15 |
good point. over here on persimmon pear rd the pot holes keep getting bigger. maybe everyone should send their repair bills into the brca. maybe they will get the drift and do something about it. i feel sorry for our next door neighbor across the street that is where alot of the pot holes are. | ||
| Randy Davis Posted From: 152.163.252.36 |
I would like to respond to some of these issues. I am one of those dumb farmers that sit on the board. I can fully understand everyones concerns regarding the condition of the roads in our community. I think I can speak for everyone on the Board and say we would like the roads to be in tip top shape just as you do. Unfortunately this takes a lot of time and money. I know you have all heard it before that we are doing everything we can to improve the roads. I wish you all could or would be able to sit on the Board and you would see just what is entailed in trying to acheive our goals. We are all property owners just like you. We all have full time jobs, families, and a desire to have time for enjoyment just like you. We have all decided that we want to do our part within this community to improve our roads and maintain the records needed to hold the structure of our "Privately" owned roads intact. I had no idea what this involved until I became a Board member. Just the internal bookeeping, record keeping, tracking of property transfers, court records, insurance issues, billing, collections (a major problem) just to name a few, and last but not least, trying to maintain the roads. I feel most people that have not been on the Board would think that the Board should be ran like a company, expect results from the money we pay for the "Services" and I agree. We, on the Board, are all VOLUNTEERS. We do not have full time or part time employees that we can delegate or demand work from in return for pay. We ABSOLUTELY do not have enough money in the annual budget to have this luxury. Through the 8 years I have been a resident in Blue Ridge Acres (6 of which I have been on the Board), there have been so many vendors that have been contacted (most have not responded) to try to create some type of maintenance schedule that was affordable within our budget, and we have determined it is impossible to maintain the roads the way we ALL would like them to be maintained, with the annual budget we have. Our only recourse is to rely on VOLUNTEER help. This is why it is imparetive for all the property owners to lend a helping hand when they can in order to acheive our gaol of nice roads. The solution is not to not pay your road dues, it is to 1)pay them, 2)volunteer an hour or two a month 3)and to encourage others to do the same. If just a small percentage of people would do this, we would not have the problems, disappointments and bad moral within our community. Please try to keep in mind that the Board members are people just like you and are trying their best (contrary to popular believe) to do a good job and make this a better place to live. I would invite anyone to call me at 728-8700 or email me at davis8700@aol.com if they have any questions, complaints or especially if they are willing to help. Sincerely, Randy Davis | ||
| Mrs P @ Dogwood Cir Posted From: 65.123.193.207 |
I am not trying to "down " you but, that is pretty much the same thing that I have heard from day one. Pay your dues, come to the meeting, volunteer, etc. and then understand what goes on at the meetings. I pay my dues. The reason for the dues is so that the roads are maintained and that I don't necessarily have to get out and do anything. If someone would answer my original question about coming and getting some gravel and do I get a discount on dues since I have to do the work ? Why is this so hard. Even if you graded the roads and put some gravel down it will not help until we get some kind of ditch and culvert system so that the water has some place to go. I have no clue about roads and yet I understand this. Go figure. I do NOT want to or have any desire to come to any of the meetings.That is NOT my "cup of tea" as they say. I follow the rules and pay my dues why do I feel as though I am getting no where. I will pay them in due time when the money becomes available. Right now the money goes to maintaining my car so it does not get destroyed from the roads. Thanks for your reply. On another note, when do we start using our new address system. Is anything going to be posted by the mail boxes to let us know? | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 192.111.228.3 |
I have lived in BRA for 3 years and have been a board member for 2 years and until recently was the person responsible for developing this website as an information forum between the residents and the board for BRA issues. As a resident I am just as frustrated as you are regarding the roads and as a board member I have a better understanding as to the impass that exists between non-payment of road dues and the quality of the road maintenance provided. I resigned from the board recently due to health reasons. I enjoyed being a member of the board because I was working with some BRA residents who cared enough to turn up to the meetings and contribute to the community as a whole. Unfortunately out of the several hundred residents of BRA, it must be said that only a handful want to actually get involved with fixing the problem and the rest always have the time to complain. The roads in our community are private roads and it is our responsiblity to fix and maintain them. If you wish to take drastic action where you all withhold payment of fees then that may be a course of action that suits your anger, but another possible scenario could be that the entire board could resign in protest of the inaction of the community they are working for. The result would be chaos and nothing would get done at all and then the community would have to find it's own feet (bookeeping, record keeping, tracking of property transfers, court records, insurance issues, paying utility bills let alone road maintenance) instead of relying on a few people to do their work for them. I think the BRA community should count themselves lucky that the few board members and volunteers that we do have try to do their best in a no-win situation. To be blunt - if you are not happy with the road situation, don't complain, take a seat on the board and do something about it. They have a couple of seats available because they just can't get anyone interested. As to the question that Mrs P raised before about contacting someone, the president of the board (Bill Ramsey) does not have a computer, he does have a phone (725-4167). Give him a call and ask him about using the gravel. If my comments appear passionate then I apologize but from my position I can see the story from both sides and it frustrates me that the board CANNOT do it's job without the help of the residents that it represents. | ||
| Randy Davis Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
I would like to applaud Mr. Pauls. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of all property owners to help in this community. I think the misconception of most property owners in this community is that they pay their road fees and expect everything to be done just because they pay. It is not the responsibilty of the Board to do this, they are volunteers. They are not a contractor that is paid for services. It has been proven over and over again that our annual budget is inadequate for the annual maintenance that needs to be. Because of this, it is imperative that we rely on volunteers do do ALOT for free. We do not have ALOT of volunteers that are willing to do this. When I purchased my home in 1996 I was under the impression that the fees I paid would maintain the roads. The real estate agents do not tell you anything to the contrary. I feel I was misled by them. Unfortunatly, we have to contribute additional time, money and work in order to make our roads better. The problems is, and always has been, the lack of Volunteers. Whether we like it or not, that is the facts. I sympathize with everyone for being upset with the condition of our roads and can only ask again that more people step up and be willing to help. If we don't, things will positively not change. To answer one of the questions from Mrs. P, we do have what is called a matching funds resolution that states if a property owner wishes to purchase additional material such as gravel, culverts, etc., and presents it to the Board and is accepted, the Board would pay half of whatever is spent. There has been a couple of property owners that have done this. In regards to the drainage issue, Mrs. P. has hit the nail on the head. That is the most important work that needs to be done. I myself, elected to asphalt my entire road at my own expense. I don't mean to sound rude by submitting these comments, but the facts are the facts and the more people that can accept this, the better we all will be. To answer the last question of Mrs. P., we have not yet been informed as to when we will change our mailing address. I am sure it will not be any time soon, as the post office at this time is not willing to deliver mail to the individual homes. | ||
| Chip Gallo Posted From: 170.215.143.123 |
Randy - if people come from an urban background, they may think that the road fee is some kind of "condo" fee that covers all road maintenance. The real estate agent who sold us our home here in 1994 purposefully did NOT show us property in BRA because of the roads. We finally asked him where he lived, and he grudgingly showed us property here. He also did not mislead us about the community club and roads association. We got a copy of the covenant in advance of buying property. We took time to talk with people who lived here [even asked if we needed 4-wheel drive]. I am sure that the people who live down along the river do not feel that they get "equal" road maintenance to other roads in the community. But they chose to live in a low lying area that floods every so often, and it is difficult and expensive to work on the roads down there. There are other roads in BRA that were poorly designed by the builder, have bad drainage, require more maintenance than other roads and suffer during the winter/spring thaw. People chose to live there even though problems on the road bed are obvious to anyone who looks. People who want city perfect roads, 24x7 security, no ATVs, etc. should move to the city. If they don't want to attend a few meetings and volunteer to help where needed, I don't see how they can expect positive change. Another alternative is to donate MORE money than the Civic road fee. The Community Club solicits these kind of donations for the common area maintenance and extra money is donated most years to help out. I am speaking here as a private citizen, but I have served on the Community Club board for a number of years. | ||
| mrs.c Posted From: 152.163.252.36 |
The roads have nothing to do with the Community Club. It is paid for roads, and roads alone. Why did yall take the money and fight court battles with Don Oriser? I've never been able to rob Peter to pay Paul and get away with it. Yall send a little booklet every year to tell us where our money went. So much for gravel [we do not see], so much for snow removal [i'm lucky if they go in front of my house] and so on. That don't explain anything to me because i've not seen it. And as to asking for a discount if we get the gravel and do it ourselves we ar S.O.L. because i have asked and was told no Istill have to pay the full amount. So it just goes to show that no matter what we do we are screwed! | ||
| Randy Davis Posted From: 152.163.252.36 |
Thanks for your reply Chip. The Civic boards does send out Membership notices that ask for additional contributions. We have very little resources to do anything additional. Just like the Club, it takes money to solicit additional monies, so we opt not to send any additional solicitations out. In response to Mrs. C., I can also understand your frustrations. All we can do and ask that ALL property owners try their best, even though they think they get little or no reponse, to pay their fees so that it can make it easier foe the existing volunteers to do what they are doing. We hope that their will be no further law suits that we have to spend our time and money on, but we have to do what we think is right. If others may disagree, please donate your time to change it. We are in the process of taking a major steps on collecting past dues fees that will require legal help and expense. This is something we HAVE to do in order collect these fees and have monies to do what we can to fix the roads. If we do not, the longer we wait, the more people will refrain from paying their fees. It is no secret that the roads are in very bad shape, and we all have to do what we can in order to make the necessary repairs. I am not trying to be an A.., I just would like everyone in the community understand we are trying our best to improve our community | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 192.111.228.3 |
Mrs C. There has not been a motion put to the board to allow a BRA member to receive a discount for work that they do to the roads outside their own property. As Randy mentioned earlier, a matching funds resolution motion was carried that allowed the Board to pay half of whatever is spent by a BRA member for work that is agreed upon. Granted, this is not a discount. The way the democratic system for the board works is: lobby board members to put a "discount" motion to the next board meeting or turn up to the board meeting (they are open to all BRA members) and put the motion (an attached petitition always helps) to the board yourself. They will certainly discuss it and may or may not vote in your favor. However, at least you have taken your issues to the appropriate body to get some action. On another issue Mrs C. I agree with you that the accounting report of road maintenance does not give an account of what roads were treated and when. A mentor of mine back in Australia used to say: "Those who fail to plan, plan to fail". I think we need to have some sort of road maintenance plan published on the web page, with monthly updates that show the progress made to date so that people such as you and I can read when and where our money is being spent. Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, I am cutting back my involvement due to health issues and am looking for someone to take over the maintenance of the web page for the BRACA. Until that happens, the board does not have a volunteer to report the information you are looking for. | ||
| AntonDenikin Posted From: 195.46.164.146 |
All fine and dandy, but what happened to the positive vote for the Orphan Roads Act? Wasn't there some "technical reason" the paperwork was NOT submitted? If true, didn't that disenfranchise the residents of BRA who voted in favor for the Act? I seem to recall a few of the board members (some who have since moved) lamenting the vote since BRA wouldn't be "private" anymore.... Regarding volunteering- I'd do so if the board could ensure that ATVs wouldn't be running wild tearing up the roads that we pay for. Or the snow plow wouldn't be plowing all the snow into my freshly cleaned driveway (couldn't be that he knew I complained about the "service"?), Or the grader wouldn't be spewing gravel a good 10 feet into my yard (killing my grass) and filling in the only drainage area in between my yard and the road because the operator was driving too fast... In other words, people will continue to complain as long as they are paying for a service that isn't properly provided. I've been to board meetings in the past and all I heard was board members complaining about non-board members who had the nerve to complain about not receiving the proper service promised by the board via road maintenance dues. And, of course, they spent a good deal of the time complaining about Don Orser. Regarding the comments about city-dwelling and country-dwelling. I've done both. The other areas in the country I lived in had perfect road maintenance and cheaper road dues. Of course, they weren't in constant legal battles with one of the major property owners in the neighborhood. Of course, there we didn't have ATVs racing through the SUBDIVISION because it was a SUBDIVISION - just like BRA. They had the courtesy of going to the real "country" to do their off-roading. | ||
| city slicker turned farmer Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
Smart idea to spend more road money on the so called dead beats who were tired of not getting what they paid for.Maybe you need to wake up and see you will get more money if we get something in return! I know I wont spend my hard working money for something I wont ever see or use. Thats stupid.I think the one who said maybe the board members all need to resign it the nail on the head!maybe if all the OLD board members quit and new blood gets on a new board and we can see where our money is spent we can make a difference. Hell ther's not an ounce of gravel anywhere in bra now that i can see. answer these questions so we all can see the truth. 1. How much money was spent last year on roads? 2. how much money was spent on snow removal? 3. How much was spent on legal fees? 4. How much was wasted on the as-hol- Don Orser? 5. How much was wasted on board members? I bet the money wasted would have put new gravel on most of the roads. I am blaming the stupid people running this place for where we are today. If you dont have a business brain you shouldnt play with our money!If your not a surgan would you do surgery? get the point?I think all of our money was wasted due to stupid people on the board (who were never city slickers)they get a dime and want to save it for stupid things like Don not save it till it adds up to fix a road DAH! New blood, will show results. All i know is when i was growing up most all the dumb farmers did no more than they had to(this is what i see here)What I see hapening here is we have a few dumb old farmers who want money to sue people and get volunteers to to work for frr! Sorry guys this is 2004 we work hard for our money and if i need to spend it i want something to show for what was spent and that dont mean me paying for something and then turn around and do the work that i paid for. Sorry guys most of us living here are smarter than that, unlike you.I have a idea lets not re build a usless clubhouse and use that money to replace the money you board members wasted on Don?why do we need it?use the money that will help all of us. Why not get Don off of the board? i know it would make me happy and maybe even want to get on the new board. ya'll need to wake up and smell the coffee. we will get no where with a bunch of loosers | ||
| city slicker turned farmer Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
Smart idea to spend more road money on the so called dead beats who were tired of not getting what they paid for.Maybe you need to wake up and see you will get more money if we get something in return! I know I wont spend my hard working money for something I wont ever see or use. Thats stupid.I think the one who said maybe the board members all need to resign it the nail on the head!maybe if all the OLD board members quit and new blood gets on a new board and we can see where our money is spent we can make a difference. Hell ther's not an ounce of gravel anywhere in bra now that i can see. answer these questions so we all can see the truth. 1. How much money was spent last year on roads? 2. how much money was spent on snow removal? 3. How much was spent on legal fees? 4. How much was wasted on the as-hol- Don Orser? 5. How much was wasted on board members? I bet the money wasted would have put new gravel on most of the roads. I am blaming the stupid people running this place for where we are today. If you dont have a business brain you shouldnt play with our money!If your not a surgan would you do surgery? get the point?I think all of our money was wasted due to stupid people on the board (who were never city slickers)they get a dime and want to save it for stupid things like Don not save it till it adds up to fix a road DAH! New blood, will show results. All i know is when i was growing up most all the dumb farmers did no more than they had to(this is what i see here)What I see hapening here is we have a few dumb old farmers who want money to sue people and get volunteers to to work for free! Sorry guys this is 2004 we work hard for our money and if i need to spend it i want something to show for what was spent and that dont mean me paying for something and then turn around and do the work that i paid for. Sorry guys most of us living here are smarter than that, unlike you.I have a idea lets not re build a usless clubhouse and use that money to replace the money you board members wasted on Don?why do we need it?use the money that will help all of us. Why not get Don off of the board? i know it would make me happy and maybe even want to get on the new board. ya'll need to wake up and smell the coffee. we will get no where with a bunch of loosers | ||
| lt Posted From: 64.12.96.15 |
good point city slicker | ||
| cousin it Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
I agree with it great point city slicker I hope everyone would agree and the Board members would get the idea | ||
| time for a change Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
Eddie can you tell me why our road money is wasted to rent the office that the board members use 1 time a month.To top that it should be our building to use for free, I understand the other club (soical comittiee)say they own the building and you board members rent it. Does this make sence to aynone else? Why do we need two seprate committies? how did they become owners? once again our road money well spent. I agree with it and city slicker the board wastes more of our road money than they should. Road money for road money not rent,legal,electric,ins. etc. I agree old borad members move over let new blood in to take over and make a change for the good. | ||
| Mrs P @ Dogwood Circle Posted From: 65.123.193.207 |
Would anyone be interested in getting together and having a meeting about all of this on maybe a Saturday morning or afternoon? We could meet at the house in the front or at someone elses house.I have a question, What determines that the roads in here are private? Anyone can ride through here either by car or atv. I was speaking with my husband regarding this issue and 2 things came up. 1) If the roads are paved and have speed bumps say every 50 feet or so, the atv's would not want to run through here because they cannot get muddy and fly and they cannot reach a good speed before having to slow down for the next speed bump.That is the same for cars. and 2) There is a pile of gravel at the end of Long Leaf Lane that is just sitting there or we will look up by the post office boxes and since we paid road dues last year, then we are going to get some of it and fix our street on Sunday. There is my volunteer work. Again if anyone is interested in meeting together please let me know. I will check this everyday, ask your neighbors to come as well. I think Saturday would be better due to work schedules and such. | ||
| toitsown Posted From: 67.201.148.13 |
Sure, lets meet Sat. But be assured that the civic will have a spy there. Meet at the house? Do you mean the "Office" out front,by the mailboxes? No wait, that wouldn't do, it's owned by the "club" and they surely wouldn't condone any actions that might jeapordize the Civic doings or mis-doings. By the way, the civic obtained the use of that building when the club board(largely staffed by civic board members)voted to up the rent of the realtor that occupied the building. He was forced to move out and the civic moved it...but not at the new higher rent mind you all, at the lower rent.... Maybe a better solution might be to videotape the roads, the civic improvements or lack thereof and take that to the judge... someone elses house? how about yours? Better yet, lets all meet up by the brick walls at the entrance! That way we don't have to go far to find a wall to beat our heads against... Speed bumps to slow down 4wheelers, not that it's a bad idea, but if the potholes don't slow them down why would speed bumps....probably just encourage them to "get some air". Have fun at them meeting but I gotta work.... | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 69.160.122.17 |
Dear Time for a change - With a caveat that I am no longer a board member, I will do my best to answer your questions based on what I know of the history of the board while I served upon it. I have also heard about some of the legal battles that prior boards had with Don Orser (something that this last board has finally resolved with a quit claim). BRA was originally developed and at one point, (I'm not sure how many years ago) the social activities and the civic activities were split into 2 committees. The social club owns the house and rented it to a realtor. He moved out. The social club now rents it to the BRACA for their meetings. I am sure that better use can be made of the house while the board is not using it so that the rent could be offset or reduced. There are 2 committees because 1 of them is responsible for social activities such as social gatherings, social facilities such as the river front, the swimming pool and for the rebuilding of the club house that burnt down. When BRA first started, part of the appeal of the place was the holiday demographic with a good number of families living part time in the community. With the support of people like Cal and Betty Lamotte, there were many social activities available with many people attending. By the time my wife and I arrived in BRA, the demographic had changed to a full time community, many of whom cummute to work. The last event we attended had only a few people present. There are certain legal costs that cannot be avoided when trying to recoup payment of outstanding fees from people who are refusing to pay. I challenge anyone to get people to pay without incurring some legal costs in the process. Some of you have said, “well, if the roads weren’t so bad, I wouldn’t mind paying my fees.” Even if the BRACA received a 100% contribution to the road fees, it still wouldn’t cover what we need to pave the roads correctly. As Randy mentioned in an earlier post, there have been several approaches to contractors to work on paving our roads and they basically refuse because we cannot afford them. Until recently there have been some people who have not paid their road fees for 10 years or more. It is a “Catch-22” situation. The only recourse has been to legally chase the outstanding fees. In regards to legal issues and costs arising from the Don Orser dispute with BRACA. The history of the dispute, as I understand it, predates the boards that I attended and, after many of the board members who were involved in the dispute at the time had vacated the board, there was a movement to a resolution with Don. I imagine that the fees that have historically been incurred on this issue will all but disappear. There are certain other costs that cannot be avoided: - purchase of new plant (eg: truck and spreader) - purchase of gravel - maintenance of plant and equipment (truck, grader etc) - electrical (road lights, shed lights etc) - accounting fees - taxes - insurance (on this one I’m no quite sure, but I think there is a legal requirement to have it) In regards to replacing old board members, go ahead. Stand up now and take the first step by taking one of the several currently vacant places on the board. There are valid options for replacing the rest through votes of no confidence or by re-electing new members at the annual general meeting. I’m all in favor of seeing the political process in action. I will say this though, it’s easy to criticize the board, but it’s even harder to be on the board with little or no support from the community. | ||
| Amazed Posted From: 62.140.239.130 |
I still haven't seen (or read) anyone explain exactly what happened with the Orphan Road Act and why our paperwork allegedly wasn't submitted "on-time" or "at all" even though the community voted in favor of asking the state for help. What happened here? | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 69.160.122.17 |
Randy, I dont have clear recollections of the orphan roads details. Could you bring some light to the subject for "Amazed"? | ||
| mrs c Posted From: 64.12.96.15 |
Why is the dump truck parked at someones house instead of where all the other equipment is parked? What maintance is done at the plant? the building isn't taken care of and the gravel just sits there in it"s piles for everyone to see instead of being able to drive on it. they could do a little grading to get rid of some of the holes at least. iI know someone that works for the state in VA, He says the best time to grade the roads is right after it rains and to pull the old gravel back onto the roads. Or is the grader sitting there to look pretty for us also. | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 192.111.228.3 |
Mrs C, My knowledge of road maintenance and things mechanical is virtually nil. For answers to your questions the best idea is to contact Fred Horning on 724-6591 or email him at sarizonac@cs.com. As I understand it, he and Walter Lipka do the majority of work on the roads and the maintenance of the plant and equipment. I don't have a contact number for Walter. | ||
| Theresa Lock Posted From: 69.160.122.39 |
Is there a meeting tonight (Monday, March 1, 2004) regarding the road maintenance? | ||
| Theresa Lock Posted From: 69.160.122.39 |
I can see that a lot of discontent resides in Blue Ride Acres as well. Couple things I wanted to say... Why doesn't everyone use their real names in here? This isn't AOL chat, you shouldn't need a screen name. I would like to know who I am talking to. It adds credibility to your comments/complaints. I too would like an answer to the "orphan road" situation - it appears that this subject has been ignored. I tried to contact the department of transportation and even talked with an individual via email and got no where on the situation - I haven't given up yet and I urge everyone to do the same. Contact the state, make your complaints to the state and maybe we can get some support out here. I'm not giving up. I am paying our maintenance fee although I think it is misleading to label the fee as "road maintenance fees". We are all paying for gravel, salt, etc., not maintenance. The verbage should be changed as to stop misleading unsuspecting new neighbors. Several new homes are going up in the neighborhood and have been erected recently, lets not get off to a bad start with them too by telling them they are paying for road MAINTENANCE. I would like to get involved in our neighborhood and am planning on doing so - anyone else? We'll see where this leads. I'm not sure where my expertise may come in, I majored in accounting. I currently work for three companies and continue my college education full time, I also assist my husband in his business - but I am hoping that I can make a difference here. I really love it here and want to do something about our situation. LETS ALL GO TO THE NEXT MEETING and BE OBJECTIVE - please, we all live in the same neighborhood. If we want answers, we have to go to the board like it or not. | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 69.160.122.17 |
Dear Theresa, Thank you for your post. Regarding your background. it does sound as though you are busy person. The board does have a member with an accounting background as Treasurer, however, I do know that the board does need a proper secretary to record and transcribe minutes so that they can be placed online. Don Orser is currently performing that task but the minutes are currently distributed at board meetings only for all who attend. That's partly because I have had to back away from updating the website for health reasons. In the mean time, I think it would be a good idea to have a hard copy of the minutes put up at the postal station each month. The board meets on the 3rd Tuesday of every month and the meetings are open to ALL BRA members these days. Regarding the orphan roads, I do know that the state ran out of funds by the time we were looking at applying. What I'm not sure about is what the vote for/against the roads was and, if the vote was in favor, whether an application was made in a timely manner. I have asked Randy Davis in an earlier post to reply on the issue. | ||
| AntonDenikin Posted From: 62.140.239.130 |
The "Orphan Roads" program is actually called the "Home Access Roads Program (HARP)" and was authorized in 1998 with the passage of House 4003. It allegedly remains in effect. HARP, if I read it correctly, does necessitate "rights of access" to possibly be relinquished in areas declared "orphan." This may be the crux of the problem in BRA with this issue. I remember quite well that BRA residents voted to have the roads declared "orphan." After the vote there was a lot of dissembling and stalling and low and behold - no orphan roads. Could it have something to do with someone or some people not wanting to give up their "rights of access" that caused them to put the cabash on the program subsequently nullifying the legitimate vote of the residents (there were actually two votes on this issue if my memory serves me correctly)????? Teresa: A lot of people probably don't use their real names because there are some people in the neighborhood (unfortunately) who take personally any complaints/concerns about road maintenance, dog troubles, etc... | ||
| Chip Gallo Posted From: 206.229.31.25 |
It is part of the Terms of Service of this message board to use your real name and e-mail address. Otherwise it is difficult to resolve issues that are brought up here, and it degenerates into rumors and name calling. If I have my way this board will require registration in order to post messages and you will be asked for real name and e-mail as part of that. | ||
| lt Posted From: 64.12.116.74 |
the roads suck people. there are pot holes everywhere even up by the mailboxes. the board members probably thinks that there is no problem at all. wonder if they would like to pay the repairs done to the vehicles. lets see how the like it. | ||
| AntonDenikin Posted From: 195.239.36.2 |
Chip, I'd be happy to post my real name and email address if this forum could assure me that "revenge" wouldn't be taken against me for positions that may not make others too pleased. For example: Two years ago I wrote a letter to the board complaining about the road maintenance and the damage the grader did to my yard - the response? Silence from the board, but more gravel in my yard, and during the winter every time I shoveled myself out, the person clearing the roads made sure he plowed snow back into my driveway. A neighbor even commented, "you shouldn't have complained to the board." I never shared my letter with my neighbor, and I never told him I wrote a letter. Strange that he would know the contents... So, while I value the opportunity to discuss issues which concern our neighborhood, I also value the ability to keep my identity private. An easy way to keep "order" in this forum is to make sure people adhere to standards set forth by the webmaster. Those who violate it should be suspended, or banned. I had a similiar experience with neighborhood watch. I allowed my name and phone number to be accessable to all and what do you know - harrassing phone calls, and kids sneaking around my house... Funny, a lot of the people on this forum who lament the lack of volunteers were nowhere to be found when the neighborhood had real problems with vandals, drugs, glass in the baby pool, etc.. They preferred the comfort of their homes. They talked a good talk, but then when called on for assistance - SILENCE.... | ||
| Chip Gallo Posted From: 206.229.31.25 |
Anton - this forum can't make any guarantees. It is just a bit of software running on a computer. I would say that the risk of reprisal is just as high if you attend a meeting and complain. Does that mean you should not attend meetings? For the most part we have kept personal phone numbers and physical addresses off the web site to protect privacy. My opinion is that these discussions are much less useful if they are anonymous, and can even be damaging to the community. It becomes a forum for rumors and allegations that are difficult to confirm or deny. Eddie and I are going to the next Civic Association meeting to present on this topic. I invite interested parties to attend. | ||
| AntonDenikin Posted From: 62.140.239.130 |
Chip, You wrote: "I would say that the risk of reprisal is just as high if you attend a meeting and complain. Does that mean you should not attend meetings?" If that means that the reprisals would come from board members or their chorts, then, yes, I would say it would not be worth wasting my time to attend such events. I am sure that there are people, such as yourself, who are involved in the community and the board, who are involved to make the neighborhood better, HOWEVER, there are some who are engaged in such entities for personal gain and take any criticism as a threat and react accordingly. It's a shame. Heck, I can remember a certain older gentleman who moved to Florida not so long ago who knew the contents of everyone's post office box, but yet was still known as a "pillar of our community." The community is well served by those who truly believe in bettering the neighborhood through a legitimate neighborhood watch, a forum to discuss problems, etc., it is not served well by a board with hidden agendas.... Let the roads be controlled by the State and forget about the "country club" or "we live in the country" attitudes. We aren't a country club and BRA is NOT the country.... It's a subdivision with crappy roads and too many ATV riders who think they're at a KOA campground. | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 192.111.228.3 |
Ther are good people and bad people and some people with confused agendas and good intentions. Change occurs when 1 or more people take the risk of reprisal for their cause. There was a time when board meetings were closed to BRA members. About 3 years ago, I turned up anyway and attended several meetings. At first I didn't say anything but I did listen and watch and began to understand the politics and the issues of the board at that time. I've also worked on the board and developed this website (cudos to Chip Gallo) to create a forum for people to discuss issues and come up with constructive ideas to correct them. In defense of the "older gentlemen and his wife" who moved into BRA in the first few years the development was established. They did more to help the community than everyone else put together. They pointed delivery vans to the correct houses when no-one else knew where they were. They worked on both the boards for years. They cleaned the bins that used to be at the postal station. They organized activities at the club. They went to the court house and researched records of properties bought and sold. All on their own time with no charge to the community. Their vision was that BRA should be a community where people helped their neighbors. For my wife and I, BRA IS A COUNTRY COMMUNITY with benefits. Sure it has problems but you can't call this community a suburb or a city or a town. At least admit it's a subdivision nestled into the country... As for ATV's. This issue has been already covered on this message board. Several members of the board as well as members of the community have spoken to police and even attended public meetings with politicians present to lobby for more ATV control. Bottom line is - there is no way to arrest someone for using an ATV in BRA. You can only sue them in court for damage to property and that takes time and resources to gather evidence. | ||
| AntonDenikin Posted From: 62.140.239.130 |
Eddie, I agree with you on the statement that change occurs when 1 or more people take the risk of reprisal for their cause, HOWEVER, when there were (are?) people on the board who refused to do what they allegedly "volunteered" to do, problems, seemingly unresolvable, start to arise. I'll never forget calling a person on the board (don't think he's on it anymore) about some vandals (on ATVs) with whom we were having problems and his comment to me, "If I say anything I'll get harrassed." Why be on the board then? I have personally "volunteered" countless hours of my time (mostly in neighborhood watch and mostly responding to help the people down by the river deal with unruly teenagers) in the community. I'd do more, but unfortunately, I currently spend most of the year deployed overseas. This is one reason I prefer to remain anon. on this board since I do not want the person residing in my house to suffer harrassment - as has occured in the past. I also agree with you regarding the bulletin board. This is probably one of the more positive developments in community relations in BRA since I've resided here. I have a website of my own and understand the time and effort put into such things. I also think that the majority of people who use this forum do gain benefit from it - even if it's only to "vent" their frustrations (nothing wrong with that as long as it's done in a professional manner). I applaud and respect your and Chip's involvement in this (and other areas). I wouldn't dare call BRA a city, suburb, or town. I also still don't consider it "country." Country is out in Kabletown where there aren't "neighborhoods." Or out in the real West Virginia (I'm a native of WV...). I know ATVs have been discussed here ad nauseum. It's a shame that people from outside the neighborhood are causing such problems. This is an observation I have from neighborhood watch. The majority of our issues with ATVs, Vandalism, Hooliganism, are from people who reside down the road. Unfortunately, it may take a tragic ATV accident or mishap for them to realize that our roads are not intended for recreational activities. I hope it doesn't occur, but it's only a matter of time that we have an ATV tragedy that West Virginia is already infamous for (highest ATV injury/death rate in the nation). | ||
| toitsown Posted From: 67.201.148.241 |
Hey, that's a grand idea! work on fixing the holes in the website! and the dish ran away with the spoon.... | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 69.160.122.17 |
Dear toitstown, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "holes in the website". I do know that the website does need updating but unfortunately, I cannot spend as much time as I previously have (as I have mentioned before - health reasons). I have asked on more than one occasion if there is someone with webpage skills who would like to take it over but so far - no one has stepped forward. | ||
| Mrs.C Posted From: 205.188.208.42 |
I saw Mr. Lipka on the grader today. Thought I would ride around and see what he had graded. What he did looked okay but it seemed that he stopped at his house. I rode on down the road and counted 10 more houses past his that might liked to have the road graded to get rid of some of the pot holes. What he planning atrip in his camper so he fixed the road to his house? I've noticed that whenever there is work done on that road it is only to his house or maybe Chip Gallos. Do them all instead of to your own doorstep and stopping! | ||
| the forgotton few Below Lipka Posted From: 152.163.252.36 |
AMEN Mrs. C I Live in one of the 10 houses past Lipka's house, and we are the forgotten owners down here! the snow was always plowed to Lipka's house, the sand for the ice was to his house and now the gradding to his house. Maybe I need to make friends with him in the hopes he will come down the road to at least my house.HA!HA! big joke.I know he doesnt work so my question is if he knows how to grade the roads and try to make them driveable why dont the board take some of our road money and pay him to finish a job that was started? gee I know that answer they may need our road money to take Don to court again or maybe for them to pay rent on the 1 time a month office. $200.00 a month for use on 1 night for 2 to 3 hours, dang thats alot of our ROAD money wasted for rent. $2,400.00 a year for 12 uses,thats bull Sh--! $2,400.00 would pay to have all of BRA graded and gravel put down. ok now we know the money they expect us to pay is truley wasted. I think this year I will waste my own money instead of them. Heck I can put new tires on my car and maybe even fix the springs that are shot. Gee wonder how that happened.lolnotice how no one ever asnwered the questings on how much road money was wasted. Thank you for following Lipka to see just who benifits from his work. | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 192.111.228.3 |
Dear Mrs C and The Frogotten Few, I am planning to attend the next meeting on the 16th at 7:00pm. I am going to raise a few issues that have been raised here. I will certainly add your comments regarding Mr Lipkas performance. I will also try to get as much information of the boards incomes and expenditures as I can. I can relate to your shocks comment. I drive a Mustang (low to the ground) and have had to be very careful over the past few weeks (since the road started heaving) coming and going from my house to the entrance of BRA. I plan to raise the issue of determining what the board has in mind for fixing the problem and will report back what I hear. Re rent. I'm not sure what the solution could be. The board needs to have a place to meet. The board has opened the meetings to all members for the past 3 years and they need a place to accomodate anyone who wishes to attend. The house at the entrance is really the only option open to us. I have mentioned before in this bulletin baord that we should either approach the social club to reduce the rent by sharing or subletting the house with another tenant during the time when the board isn't using it. I will raise this at the meeting also. Regarding Don Orser, I have mentioned that a quit claim was settled with Don just before I resigned from the board and I would be surprised if there are any more legal costs associated with the issue of his road/driveway. This forum is currently used by members to discuss issues they have a concern about. These discussions don't always get transmitted to the board. I would invite anyone who has been raising issues here to attend the board meeting with me to make their voices heard. I don't mind raising these issues myself but it would be nice to have others present who would also like to get answers to their questions. | ||
| the forgotten Posted From: 64.12.116.74 |
Thank you Eddie for trying to get some answers from the board for us who can not make it to the meeting. I have to work late that night due to a meeting.I hope the board will share the expendutues as they never have anything here on the site on how and what our road money goes to pay or used on. I'm sorry but $2,400.00 a year wasted on a room used 12 times a year and myabe 24 hours a year is assinine!Do you know if we were charged to use the firehouse for the annual meeting? I'm sure we could use the firehouse for alot less than $2,400.00. If anything we could offer them a donation to use the building monthly for as little as we would need it. I wish you were able to drive down Maple Ridge Lane and see what were talking about. Lipka has NEVER come down to do anything past his house!you can see for yourself our complaints are gueniune. As for my road dues this year I still am going to waste it on myself to do car repairs thanks to the board wasting my money on stupid stuff. Maybe if enough of us don't pay this year they will wake up and spend our money on what is was to be used for.Do you ever waste your hard earned money on something that you will never benifit from or be able to use? I'm sure that answer is no, thats why we need to either re-group and use the funds to make the repairs needed or re-group and clean house(board members) Im sick of the mis management of funds. im sorry I didnt want to sound this angry. when I started I wanted to thank you for finally having someone willing to try to help us and the the more I talked about the mismanagement of funds i got mad. I'm not taking it out on you so sorry again, and I look forward to hear what you find out. | ||
| Wife of the Hillbilly Farmer Posted From: 12.64.96.199 |
To "The Forgotten" You should make an effort to attend a meeting. You will get a lot of your questions answered by the committee members directly, not by someone on a webpage. As for the money being MISMANAGED. Well guess what Lady, the money is being spent to pave Persimmon and fix the repairs to the BLOWOUTS caused by the weather. Is that a MISMANAGEMENT of money or what!!!!!!!!!!!! It has taken three years to get enough money to pave the road and guess who the honor goes too for getting this accomplished? None other that the current Committee members that have only been in office for three years. As for getting new blood on the committee,I am offering my husbands position to anyone who thinks they can put up with all the B(&*S$#@ that goes with the VOLUNTEER POSITION. And ladies, take into consideration that should your husband volunteer and get elected to the board, you are on the board as well. 24x7 and get absolute nothing for it except the criticism from the people who have nothing better to do that put smart remarks on the Web when they have no idea what they are talking about. Anyone standup the challenge of becoming a committee member? Be at the meeting, Tuesday, March 16..... Oh, by the way, anyone want to volunteer to take over the webpage? We had one person volunteer at the meeting in November, haven't heard from his since. | ||
| Chris Gallo Posted From: 170.215.143.123 |
To whoever may be interested, the $2,400 per year paid in rent for the "office" not only pays for meeting space, it also pays for storage of all the "Association's" files. Like any other organizations, files have to be put somewhere secure with easy access to all persons that need to use them. Do you have 2 rooms in YOUR home where you would like to store these files, where "Association" members can enter any time they need access? If so how much rent would you charge for the rooms, with keys to get into your house at any time? A lot more than $200 a month, I bet. The business that use to be up there was charged $500 per month. Also, for you information Mr. Lipka is not the only person who plows or grates Maple Ridge. So,if you have a complaint about that I suggest you go to the "Association" meetings OR WRITE TO, and have the "Association" board explain why your portion of the road did not get plowed or grated and have them change this practice in the future. In the time it takes you, all, to complain to other home owners on this webpage you could have WRITTEN the Blue Ridge Acres Civic Assoc., 96 Blue Ridge Acres, Harpers Ferry, WV 25425-9315. Also, there are a lot of less rewarding activities you could do than VOLUNTEER your time to your community by serving on this "Association". Have you ever heard the saying that "If you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem"? | ||
| ll Posted From: 64.12.112.136 |
gee sounds like good old chip don't give a care. | ||
| Just Me Posted From: 12.64.96.232 |
Sounds to me like Chip cares a lot... After all he did take his FREE time to respond. Way to go Chip. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Chip Gallo Posted From: 170.215.143.123 |
My wife Chris wrote that message. I'll pass along your kind words. | ||
| Eddie Pauls Posted From: 192.111.228.3 |
To make sarcastic remarks about people on the message board is not what it was designed for. To accuse someone of Chip's calibre that he doesn't care couldn't be further from the truth. Chip is involved in many aspects of working in the community. He organizes the hosting of of the BRA website and this BRACA website. Without him I would never have been able to develop the BRACA pages. He is also heavily involved in the BRA Social Club and its activities and is a member of the committee who are working towards rebuilding the club building that burnt down. More people should as much as her and Chris do. | ||
| Randy Davis Posted From: 205.188.209.48 |
In opening with these comments, I would like to say I am not trying to create any additional problems with anyone in our community, but I feel I have to say what "I" feel. I agree with Eddie Pauls in regards to his last response, and in addition, I am appauled that anyone would have the need, or desire, to bash someone that is volunteering their time to help in our community. We are not all perfect like some of you feel you are. All of the volunteers, again, are willing to devote some of their time and energy to something positve. That's not to say we are perfect. we make mistakes, and sometimes make the wrong decision, but at least we are willing to give it our best. Why is it so hard for some of you to understand that? I ask, what are you doing to help our community? Maybe some of you think by bashing or critizing us, that you are doing your part. If that is the case, then please try to refrain from helping like that. It is very disheartening to keep hearing and reading some of your thoughts or responses, when we are just trying to help! If some of you want to make or have changes, then please step forward and give some of your time and energy to do so. I am more than willing to step down from the Board and let you take over. I also feel that I speak for everyone on the Board. We all can do other constructive things with our time. I would like to comment on some other postings while I'm at it. 1. In respone to "the Forgotten and Mrs. C", it is stated in our by-laws that we must maintain a place to hold meetings once a month at a place that all property owners have access to. Some of you may think that $200/month is to much to pay. If so, please give us an alternative. As Chris Gallo stated, the realty company that was renting was being charged $500/month. This is a net loss for the Community Club that owns the building. As far as Mr. Lipka is concerned, he has offered to do the part of Maple Lane that he did at no cost to us. Granted, it may seem unfair, but our attitude is that anything we can get done at no cost makes us that much further ahead. The other work that Mr. Lipka has done, he has gotten paid to do it. The first objective of the board in regards to the traversing of the raods, is to maintain the main arteries within Blue Ridge Acres. Some may feel that we have not accomplished that in the manner they would like it to be. 2. In response to "wife of the Hillbilly Farmer", I agree with everything you say. For you folks that want any changes, step up to the plate and help, if not, please refrain from bashing us! 3. To "toitsown", I can't understand the motive behind your comment about the holes in the website. Did you not read, on more than one occassion, that Mr. Pauls has a medical condition, and he is trying to do the best he can? Once again, all of us VOLUNTEERS are at least trying our best and are willing to put forth an effort. Mr. Pauls and Mr. Gallo have spent countless hours on the website. Why do you feel it is necessary to have this attitude. Are you willing to take it over? 4. In response to AntonDenikin, at least some of us in the community applaud you for the time you have devoted in the past. The part I don't understand is that since you have taken yor time in the past to do your part, and know this is a thankless job, why do you feel it necessary to also critisize Mr. LaMotte. He and his wife has done more for this community than probably all of us put together. You can rest assure that their intentions were nothing less than positive. As far as any hidden agendas for anyone on the Board in the past, I will agree with you that this may have happened. I am cautiously optomistic that this is a thing of the past and feel it is necessary to proceed forward instead of looking in the past. To respond to your comments on the "Orphan Road" issue, I was on the Board throughout this time period. I personally spent a great deal of time researching this matter. To start, I will say I was, and still am, opposed to this. When I purchased our home in 1996, one of the deciding factors for me was that this was a private community, with only one ingress and egress, and that the community owned their own roads, and the destiny of this was only ours. Their were so many discrepencies with the piece of legislation. To start with, the program that was being spread within our community was not the one we would fall under. It was spreading around that the program that Shannondale feel under was the same as ours and this was being used as a Poster Child". During my research, I had found that in order to even apply for this program, it would take a community vote of least 80% of ALL property owners. In another area that I found on the WV DOT website, it stated that it only took a majority vote. I spoke to Delegate Manuel and he agreed that it only took a majority vote. The program we would fall under states that if this was accepted, the state would maintain our roads in the manner which they have been in the past. This meant that if a road was gravel, it would remain gravel. If it was asphalt, it would remain asphalt. With that in mind, we sent out a proxy ballot in the Annual meeting packet that was to vote on this and other matters. One thing none of us on the Board addressed was how when would count the votes of property owners that did not either, vote, or attend the Annual meeting. The Board, at first, decided to count these as a NO vote. After a lot of critisim and negative response, we decided to revote and spell out on the ballot how we would address these votes. After receiving all the ballots, it was voted that we submit an application to the State to be accepted into the program. Unfortunatly, well before our application was submitted, Gov. Wise had put a moritorium on the program. This moritorium is still in place as of this date. The State still has our application on file, and if the moritorium is lifted, our application will be reviewed. That is the status of this matter. In addition, I feel it necessary to state that I still hope this does not happen, and we are able to keep control of our own roads, even though we have a very difficult time maintaining them. The main reason for having this feeling is that 5 other communities that was accepted before the moritorium has since sued the State to get their roads back. Their reason is because the State had not even touched any off their roads due to budget problems. Our attorney at that time was representing 3 of these communities. In closing, I would like again to ask that anyone reading this response would try to be positive in their efforts to improve our community, and refrain from putting down or critizing the Volunteers that are at least trying to put forth their time and labor. Thanks! | ||
| just me 2 Posted From: 205.188.209.48 |
Its all a big joke and cover up you all have good excuses for why our oads look like they do! all the bs we just read dont make our roads any better now does it? have you ever heard of passing the buck? well thats what you all are doing! I think its nice of Lipka to use our equiptment to benifit himself. Can any of us come and get the keys to the equiptment to do the roads by our homes?if hes allowed weshould be able to rght? Its nice to know he cares about our roads that he only does the one part he uses. Also how many weeks will we need to dodge the huge holes at the entrance that was started? Ya'll know how to really piss us off dont you? It was better the was it was. We look like a joke in this community with bucketts used to try to sho us where the new hole you made are lol If anyone on your so called committies had any smarts about them the roads would change. like i read before use our money on roads and im sure more people would pay. how much money do we presently have to fix the roads?please if you start something how about finishing it! manage our money better and you wont have so many people mad. By the way isnt what you all doind agaings the law? False advertising. when your told when you buy here you have a road maintenance fee isnt that was its to be used for? if not re name to to THE BOARDS PLAY MONEY | ||
| AntonDenikin Posted From: 62.140.239.130 |
Randy Davis, I understand your concern about the orphan roads issue, however, I'd rather get angry with the state government for road problems than get angry with neighbors volunteering on the board. If the state was responsible for our road maintenance we wouldn't have all of this concern on this board - or, at least, it would be directed to the state government in, arguably, a united voice. Regarding my so-called criticism about the man you referenced - my complaint with him was the fact he knew what was in my mailbox. Nobody, no matter how much the do for the community, should be inside the postal station, except for the mail person. | ||
| Tired of it!!!! Posted From: 205.188.209.48 |
"Do what I do" "walk a mile in my shoes" This is all getting really old. Some of us aren't lucky enough to work a 9-5 job. Some of us work shift work or places that require late hours. Not all of us are able to "volunteer" or time. This is the reason we pay our "road" fees (and I use that term loosely, VERY loosely). As far as road maitence, if Lipka can "volunteer" do do a certian part of the roads, can I com |